21: What It Takes To Reverse Your IBD

You were right. It's not impossible, and your body is not randomly attacking you. Your inflammatory bowel disease has a root cause - you just have to find it.

Billie Jean (in video) found what was causing hers and you're going to learn what these were so you can begin to identify these root causes in yourself to reverse your IBD.


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• A true story of reversing IBD 
• What causes it
• Identifying root causes
• Remission vs. Reversal
• The alyers contributing to IBD
• What it takes to reverse your Crohn's or Colitis

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Transcript

Reversing Crohn’s and Colitis Naturally – Episode Featuring Billy Jean

Josh:
Here’s what’s coming up on this episode of Reversing Crohn's and Colitis Naturally.
When was your initial diagnosis that you had ulcerative colitis?

Billy Jean:
It was pancolitis. It was top to bottom. She said it was one of the worst cases she had seen.

Josh:
I failed all the first-line treatments — all the Imuran, the Methotrexate. The last ditch she said was the Remicade IV or it was a colostomy. Could we say your symptoms were entirely gone?

Billy Jean:
Yes. Yeah. Zero symptoms. I'm off those medications. And I had been on them forever and I still had like buzzing in my ears and couldn’t sleep.
And now I sleep like a baby. I sleep great.
I guess it’s really the first time in the whole journey that it makes sense and there are answers.

Josh:
Ask yourself what it would mean for you if it turns out your bowel disease wasn’t just this random genetic condition. What could it actually mean? What could that mean for your future? Could it mean that there is some potential for some relief?
Could it mean that there is a root cause, and if you can find it and pull it out, your body can actually begin healing itself?

That’s what we’re going to be talking about here on this short episode with Billy Jean.
We’re hearing her story — why she got sick, what layers were causing her inflammation — so you can understand what might be causing yours.
And I’m going to prove it to you in this episode, that it is a very reversible condition.
Because it can’t be random. Something has to be causing you to be inflamed.
And we’re going to be talking about what it takes.
You’re going to learn what Billy Jean’s layers were, so you can understand what common things are probably causing yours.
You’re going to learn what it actually takes to reverse this disease.
How many layers are involved, what kind of time and effort and energy it takes, and ultimately what it looks like — and that there is hope.

I hope this gives you help on your healing journey, and some hope to know that there is a better future, contrary to what your doctors told you.

Crohn’s and Colitis are reversible.
Now, I’ve helped hundreds of people reverse their bowel disease, and I’m here to help you do it too.
Because inflammation always has a root cause.
We just have to find it.

This is the Reversing Crohn’s and Colitis Naturally podcast.
Now, I do these live trainings in my Facebook group every single week and put the audios here for you to listen to.
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Josh:
First of all, Billy Jean, thank you so much for being here to share your story.

Billy Jean:
Thank you for having me.

Josh:
Well, this is a conversation that needs to be had for a few different reasons.
You know, when we talk about reversing IBD, obviously you’re on the journey.
You came off all the medications.
You had a whole history dealing with severe bowel disease, cancers, all kinds of nasty stuff you had to put up with — but you were still able to actually fix it and reverse it.
But the journey for you hasn’t looked like this straight up.
It’s been this up and down, while trending upward.
So I want to talk about that really quickly because reversal — I think people hear it and think it’s going to be sunshine and rainbows — but this is a really good honest conversation about what it really takes to reverse IBD.

Can you tell me — what were your symptoms before starting with us? Was it earlier this year?

Billy Jean:
You know, I’ve been on medications for 15 years since the initial diagnosis.
But I was still having just random BS of diarrhea.
Sometimes I would go five times a day, sometimes I would go 15 times a day.
Never did really see a lot of blood while I was on the biologics, but my GI was just... just a wreck, you know?
I’d go from no bowel movements for a couple days, and then multiple bowel movements, lots of joint pain, lots of swelling, just felt terrible overall.
Terrible anxiety, skin issues, sinus issues — just kind of felt yuck all the time.

Josh:
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you were dealing with some really nasty results from your biologics as well.
How many lesions of cancer — melanoma — did you have pop up?

Billy Jean:
So, um, I think the last count — they have removed 23 basal and squamous cell, and those were by Mohs procedure or actual just dermatology in the office where they excised them and stitched them.
But at one point, they were popping out so many and just tiny, everywhere, that she said, “We need to do chemo because we’re going to be cutting on you forever.”
So I did do the chemo for nine months.
And now, since I came off the medicines and everything, the lesions have stopped popping out.
They had continued even after some of the cancer treatment, but I have had no new ones since March, I believe.
And that’s when I went off the Rinvoq.

Josh:
Amazing. So when was your initial diagnosis that you had ulcerative colitis?

Billy Jean:
It was pancolitis. It was top to bottom.
She said it was one of the worst cases she had seen.
Pretty much just threw out my colon.

Josh:
And so when was that diagnosis? What year?

Billy Jean:
2008.
And actually, I failed all the first-line treatments — all the Imuran, the Methotrexate, the Lialda, all those things.
And the last ditch she said was the Remicade IV or it was a colostomy.
It was severe enough that that was our last-ditch effort.
And the Remicade did work... for a time.

Josh:
For a time... until it didn’t.

Billy Jean:
Until it didn’t.

Josh:
Yeah. So here’s why I think your story is so important.
From your experience so far — just, I’ll leave a little cliffhanger because I want to talk about this — but from your experience so far, do you believe that bowel disease like Crohn’s and Colitis is reversible?

Billy Jean:
I do.
100%.
Because I’ve lived it and experienced it, and I’m going back there.
I’m going to — I’m going to be back there.
I don’t doubt that this wasn’t a coincidence.
Things happened too quickly, too perfectly, and there is — there is a cause.
There’s always a cause.

Josh:
Let’s talk about this.
Because I think right now, if you’re listening, you might be thinking, “This is kind of cryptic.”
So I want to give you some details on Billy Jean’s story.

You came in to see me — was it January? February this year?
 We started together, and was it 16 weeks you were — came off the Rinvoq, you were feeling great, hair was growing back, energy was back, bowel movements were basically perfect, and we wanted to go through and then optimize a little bit more.

Now, we actually set you up after your time with me — we set you up with Curtis.
 And for those of you who don’t know Curtis, he’s been my mentor for probably six years.
He’s actually our team lead and science officer in charge here with our team that we have here that we’ve been reversing these cases with at the Gut Health Solution.

So transferred you over to Curtis.
 Now, our goal was: you were perfect, feeling amazing — like IBD is gone and peasants rejoice — we can celebrate.

But... we ran into a snag while we were optimizing you.
Josh:
So I want to talk about that. We went through, we found some mold, we found some parasites, we started removing stuff from your system.
You were feeling amazing because, like you said, IBD always has a cause.
Your body is simply reacting to something.
Inflammation, by definition, is a response to an infection or a toxin that shouldn’t be in there.
We removed it — and you got better.

But... you relapsed.

Now your doctor — and most of you listening right now — you might be hearing me and you’re saying,
 “No, she just was in remission. You got lucky, and it came back.”
 But this wasn’t random.
This was actually something calculated, that was deliberate, and it happened — that you reacted to — which I believe furthers our point that IBD is reversible.
It’s not just remission. It’s layers.

So can you tell us about this process of the layers you’ve gone through, and the symptoms that came and went as we’ve dug through these layers with you?

Billy Jean:
I think we kind of started with some mold issues. We saw that on my GI map.
And quickly, I felt better with that.
And then, as I felt better, I started coming off some of the other medications that I had been on — for the joint pain, for the allergy and asthma-type things.
And so, I started having... I think my first real snag was like itching.
Itching and joint pain.

And so then we went after parasites.
Parasites was my next big thing.
Had a lot of success with that — I think I did three full moon protocols, passed 18 worms.
Not baby worms. You could see them.
They were... they were hefty.
They looked like rope worms — like the thickness of my pen.
They were something.

Josh:
Yes! Yes!

Billy Jean:
And PCR says we only see 30%, so no telling what I really got rid of.
And in that, I think too... we did all of that and I did really well.
I felt good.

You know, there were times when I would have reactions — where we pushed a little too hard.
 And, you know, I did have to work on my drainage pathways.
I was pretty plugged up — my gallbladder and liver — so that was part of the process.
You know, before parasites, trying to get rid of it.

So I continued to work on that.
 And then we worked on — we started with biofilm disruption.

Josh:
Tell us about what biofilms are.
Just because — if you’re listening right now, this might be new.
Billy Jean, you’re a nurse. You’ve been through this. You get this. We’ve worked on this a lot together.
We’ve had Curtis on this.
So, educate us like we’re five. This is our first time hearing this — what are biofilms?

Billy Jean:
Okay, so when we get these foreign molds, microtoxins, all this stuff — parasites — they poop, pee, all of it...
And they wrap themselves up in our cholesterol.
And that is how they hide themselves and are able to hang out in our bodies and not be detected.
They just go dormant and do their thing.
And then they come out when they want to play.

So, when you start taking the things to unwrap and expose those things...
Curtis describes it like a balloon with confetti, and then, you know, you kind of release those.

So I believe that’s what happened — about, I guess I’m about six weeks out now.
 Because I was really, really doing good.
I didn’t have a lot of symptoms.
So we started that, and then one day, I just woke up and my belly was hurting.
And I was like, “Oh, that’s kind of weird.”
And then the bowel movements started.
And it escalated pretty quickly.

Billy Jean:
It wasn’t like I saw mucus or, you know, had days leading up.
It was like — one day to the next.

So he was like, “Something’s—we’ve either exposed something, or you’ve been exposed to something on the outside. Like, have you caught a virus?”
And I did end up going to the ER.
I dealt with it about maybe two and a half weeks, and it just wasn’t getting better.
I was getting more sick, more bowel movements, lots of blood.
And I got nervous. I won’t lie — I got kind of scared.

And he was, you know, coaching me along.
 He’s like, “It’s gonna be okay. We’re gonna pull out of this.”
 And I have grown a great trust with you and Curtis.
 And I do value what you guys say because I guess it’s really the first time in the whole journey that what somebody is telling me is really happening, and it makes sense, and there are answers.
It’s not just, “Well, let’s try this, and let’s do that and see how it goes.”
It’s, “This is going to help. Let’s do this.” And it does.

So there is a rhyme and a reason to it.
 My lab work did show that there was a viral infection.
So we’re still not 100% sure whether it was, you know, something I caught — which I had just traveled, and I had just gone to a big wedding.
So, you know, he’s not sure exactly, and that part doesn’t matter.
But a virus, something viral, has upset my system.

And I actually — I struggled with going back on medication.
I felt like I was cheating.
I felt like, “You know, I’ve come so far. Why am I doing this?”
And he said, “No, don’t look at it like that. Because that’s what these things were created for.
You’re not relying on this.
You are using this tool to bring you out of this flare, and we go to work again.”
He said, “It’s not taking steps back. You’ve taken ten steps forward. You have exposed another layer, and we just go to work on it now.”

So right now, we’re just working on repairing my gut lining, and getting things back calmed down.
And each day I am feeling better.

Josh:
I’m excited. I’m glad you are.
This is such an important conversation to have because — like we sort of talked about leading off —
I think when we talk about reversing IBD, I’ve had many cases, probably half of them, who barely have any downfall.
It’s straight up — they feel nothing but amazing the entire time.

But you said, “I don’t want to just feel good.
I want to actually be good, and have no chance of remission later down the road.”
And so instead of stopping at mold and some parasites, you’re like, “I feel great!”

Your symptoms — could we say your symptoms were entirely gone?

Billy Jean:
Yes.
Yeah. Zero symptoms.

Josh:
Okay. So you had zero symptoms, and then we said,
“There’s another layer we’d like to go after. Let’s talk about these biofilms.”
These cholesterol-wrapped microbes — they’re hidden, right?
So they’re inside armor. Your body doesn’t know they’re there.
We open the armor, your body goes, “Whoa — what are you?!”
Boom. Now you’re inflamed.

Your average doctor — maybe you’re listening, going,
 “Well no, she just was in remission.”
 We deliberately opened something up, and you happened to get flared up from it because your immune system overreacted.
Because this has been going on.
You’ve had this disease diagnosis for 16–17 years.
Then there’s the years leading up to this before all this happened and the gut issues that were minor, that developed into this disease.
Some people snap overnight and — boom — they’ve got blood.

So it’s actually quite a story you’ve got here.
 I think this is so important to have — that even though you felt amazing, there’s still more layers.
But it doesn’t mean it’s permanent — you’re just in remission.
It means there’s still more layers, because no matter where you are in the process...

I’m telling you — your body only ever inflames because it’s reacting to something.
If you can figure out what that something is, you’re going to heal yourself.
And you’re doing that right now, and you’re living, breathing proof that this is very doable.
Josh:
Here’s a question for you.
I’m going to ask the same question again — now I know I just sort of tee'd up my belief — I want to hear your totally unbiased opinion, as a nurse in the medical field...

Do you believe that inflammation is ever, ever random?

Billy Jean:
I do not.
There’s a cause.
There’s always a cause.
It doesn’t just all of a sudden — just, “Oh, today we’re going to pick you. Bad luck.”
No.
There’s always something.

Josh:
So your body was reacting to mold — we got that out.
You started feeling better.
Your body was reacting to parasites — we got much of those out.
Your symptoms were nearly gone — like, you’re done.

Had you looked at you — did you get a colonoscopy after that as well?

Billy Jean:
I haven’t.
It’s not due until April.
But all my lab work, like my CRP and my inflammatory markers, they were all like 0.1.
Like, my labs were perfect at the end of July.

Josh:
And did you happen to do like a stool calprotectin as well?

Billy Jean:
I didn’t at that point.
She ordered one after this, and I’m like, “I don’t even want to take that, ‘cause I know it’s going to give like a false reading, almost.”

Josh:
Okay, yeah.
And this — this is the reason I ask these questions.
They’re important questions to ask, because I know there’s always someone going,
“Well, what about your calprotectin?”
You can feel good and it be elevated, but even that’s a byproduct of inflammatory responses.

And so I think this is a very healthy conversation to have, to take away some of the mysticism.

We look at people — we’ve got 100+ clients who’ve come through this program and been perfect — boom, boom, boom — nothing but amazing.
They’re in and they’re out, and it can happen.
But for those who are coming in and they go,
“That didn’t happen to me. What’s wrong with me?”
I think you’re a shining case, the perfect textbook case, that there’s more to the picture.

And they’re identifiable.
We’ve seen them.
We know them.
We identified them.
We tested it.
We removed them and expected an issue — and we got one.
And now we’re just reversing it.

And so from here — what does your next step look like?
You and Curtis — you’re out of my care now, you’re working with Curtis.
What are you and Curtis working on in these next steps?

Billy Jean:
So like I said, we’re working on, you know, just repairing my GI lining.
So I’m doing those things to repair that.
We are going back to some binding, where we’re getting this junk out that we’ve exposed.
I’m still working on the nutrition.

And a big part of it that I found for me is my central nervous system.
I was stuck in fight or flight.
And when I would have those — you know, I would hang on to things — and he would say,
“Stress. It’s stress. You’ve got to work on your stress.”

And when I did, that’s when I started letting go of the parasites.
That last full moon, after I started working on central nervous system, I had — I think it was nine out at one time.
Huge — like a whole thing full.

So I’m working on that.
 Because he says that’s a huge part.
You know, stress is a big part of IBD, and causing us to hold on to those things.
So that’s kind of what we’re doing.
Just my overall well-being and repairing my GI lining, and then getting some more layers.

Josh:
Good. Good. I love that.
Jenga tower — that’s what you always said, “Jenga tower!”
You got to take this part, and then this part’s going to fall...

Josh:
Good. Good. I love that.
Jenga tower — that’s what you always said, “Jenga tower!”
You got to take this part, and then this part’s gonna fall...

Billy Jean:
And, you know, I’ve gone back and forth.
And my family is like,
“Are you done now?”
And I’m like, “I don’t think I am.”
Because I’ve seen it, and I’ve experienced it, and it works.
And you told me early on,
“You didn’t get here overnight, and you’re not going to get better overnight.”
And you can expect, you know, one to two months for every year you were sick.

So, I mean, I’m just part of the way there.

Josh:
And I’m just so proud of the work you’re putting in and sticking to it.
You know, we’re making a lot of breakthroughs right now in this.
And I get asked all the time —
“Well, you know, show me the studies.”
I’m like, “Buddy, we ARE the studies. This is it right now.”

This is something that we’re still trying to teach doctors.
We’re actually working with some organizations to put together formal research.

We’ve actually talked to doctors with TV shows.
There’s a fellow named Dr. Partha Nandi — he’s got the show Ask Dr. Nandi —
and I had a chance to connect with him.
And we’re going to send him some research.
He’s a famous gastroenterologist — been on Dr. Oz and all over the place.
And we’re connecting with these people to get the word out.

But this is it — right now.
And you are at the forefront of really changing the face of this disease.
You know, it’s growing exponentially.

We already know — if you guys want some proof, let me know.
Just comment the word “proof” below if you’re watching on YouTube.
I’ll make sure I link it up in a little card here.
But if you’re listening on one of the lives or on the podcast, ask for the proof — or check the show notes —
and I’ll send you a video proving it’s not an autoimmune genetic random condition.

We’ve already debunked that.
I’m actually doing a lecture on it tomorrow, at the time of this recording — which should be live here shortly.

So you are a shining star.
You’re at the forefront of this.
This disease — and you’re going to be part of the history when we go to rewrite this stuff.
And I just love what you’re putting into this and how hard you’re working — how dedicated you are to the processes.
I think it’s extremely important, and that’s what it’s going to take.

Now, I do want to open the floor to those of you watching right now.
 Now is a great time to put any questions in if you have them.
I want to make sure we have an opportunity to get to those.
And there’s a bit of a delay between the live and us seeing them — so make sure you do ask those questions.
I’ve got you guys here on my phone — I can see you live — we’ll make sure we get to those.

Now, while we’re waiting for those questions —
 Billy Jean, I want to throw it back to you.
Ball’s in your court.
Is there anything that we haven’t talked about, or anything that hasn’t been mentioned,
that you feel is just so important you want to make sure we do before we work to wrap this up?
Billy Jean:
You know, I think I’ve known in my gut all along — don’t doubt yourself.
There are other ways.
It’s scary sometimes, but so is being on medications that can limit your life and, you know, really mess with your quality of life.

I have young kids that I need to be around for.
And I just always felt that there was something else.
There was another answer.
And I think that’s what brought me to you.
It was just random — I found you on Facebook.
I mean, just scrolling one day.
And I think that’s all been divinely — it was just meant to be.

So if you’re struggling and you’re afraid — it’s normal.
But do yourself the courtesy of looking for something else that really does work and has the chance to change your life for the better.

From now on, I’m not going to be on these medications forever.
I am going to pull myself out of it.
And I’m going to use them for what they were designed for.
But I’m not going to rely on them.
I will keep going until I get everything resolved — because I know in my heart, there are answers.
It’s only layers.
Once those layers are pulled back enough, all your body has left to do is heal. That’s it.
We just have to replenish and rebuild. And we can do that.

Josh:
We’ve had people come in — in 16 weeks — they’re done.
You’re on, what, month eight or nine now?
And you’re getting closer every day, which is amazing.

And if you’re here on YouTube and you’re watching this right now, check the links below this video.
There’s a way to reach out, connect with me and my team, send me an email directly.
We can just have that conversation — to see what this looks like and what can be done for you.

And again, if you’re on the podcast — the links are below in the show notes.
All you’ve got to do is check that out.
We’ll get you the help that you need.

Josh:
Billy Jean, thank you so much.
We have some typing in here — let me see…

(viewer comment)
Carrie Boone says:
“Getting off meds is extremely scary.
How do you know if the drugs are working or your therapy?
I’m on your lives all the time but just scared to death to remove the medication.”

Josh:
What would you say about that — from your experience, Billy Jean?

Billy Jean:
I was scared too.
I put it off — probably longer than I should have, just because.
But, you know, I talked with Josh. I talked with Curtis.
And they said, “You know, we can’t tell you that.
That’s a personal thing and a choice you’re going to have to make.”
But you know, I did feel good enough, and I thought,
“You know what — what if I don’t need it? And how am I going to know?”

So it came to a point where I had to know.
And, you know, I believe in God, and so I prayed a lot about it too.

And the medications are still there —
 Just like, you know, I did go back on some prednisone, and I did go back on medication.
But that’s what it’s for.
I’m not relying on it.
I’m not saying, “I’m going to do this forever.”
But I think you have to get to a spot where you’re comfortable enough to do it,
or you’re going to be so nervous and stressed about it, it’s going to work against you.

So I don’t know — that’s kind of a not a good answer, but...

Josh:
No — it’s a great answer.
No, I wouldn’t discount that at all.
And here’s why — because it’s an honest answer, and it comes from your experience.

You know, to be on medications — I often hear that question, and it’s a great question —
 “Well, how do I know if it’s what you’re doing with me or the medications?”
Well, you were on the medications and still symptomatic.
You were still having pain and bleeding and cancers and all kinds of stuff popping up.
And through the therapy, you actually — your symptoms are gone.
And you decided, “Well, maybe it’s now time to start tapering off the medication.”

Billy Jean:
And not only, you know, my GI symptoms —
it was everything else, like my anxiety.
I’m off those medications, and I had been on them forever.
And I still had like buzzing in my ears and couldn’t sleep.
And now I sleep like a baby. I sleep great.
I’ve lost 38 pounds.

And yeah — like, my husband said the other day,
 “You’re little.”
I was like, “Well, it’s been gradual.”
So I guess he’s just realizing it — I don’t know — eight months later.

But it wasn’t just GI.
 It’s been so many things — it’s been mood, it’s been my tolerance for my kids.
I couldn’t have kids over because I was so anxious and nervous all the time and on edge.
I couldn’t have all those kids at my house.

And so we’ve had a great summer before school started, because I was able to let my kids live — because I wasn’t so high-strung and torn up all the time.

So it hasn’t just been GI.
 There have been so many other things that have improved — just my entire life and outlook — just because of the changes that I’ve made.

Josh:
Yeah. That’s amazing.
It is multi-layered.
We have to go into — not only is it the toxicities or deficiencies.
That’s why we get sick — toxicities and deficiencies. No other reason.
You had a lot of toxicities, which also created deficiencies, and now we’re filling in those gaps as we remove — and your body’s reacting accordingly.
But every day it’s just better and better.

And if you’re going through one of these processes and you find yourself set back a little bit — take heart.
Because it’s ten steps forward and one step back.
That’s really what’s happening.

That’s what’s happened with you — which I think is just an amazing testament to what can be done and what’s possible.

So I want to thank you, Billy Jean, for being here and just sharing this.
And I think putting IBD in such a realistic light — again, it can sound...
I don’t know what the word I’m looking for is — but almost too good to be true.
We talk about reversing IBD in 16 weeks — it happens.
It’s happened dozens and dozens of times.

But there are cases like yours that have many layers that pull back.
And your resiliency and willingness to work on it consistently, and repair your body after 16, 17 years with a diagnosis, plus the years without —
I think is a testament to what the body’s capable of.

Billy Jean:
Absolutely. I’m so appreciative to you for what you do.
The time and the work you put in — it’s unmatched.
And your guys’ expertise is second to none.
I mean, I’m so very thankful.

Josh:
It’s the pleasure of doing what we do and having clients like you on board to really follow along and put in the work.
So thank you.

Billy Jean, it’s been a pleasure to have you here.
 As always, if you’re on the YouTube, comment the word “solution” below.
If you’re here on the podcast, all you’ve got to do is check the links in the show notes below.
On the YouTube, click the links in the video below as well, and we’ll make sure we can get you some help.

Thanks so much, Billy Jean.

Billy Jean:
You’re welcome.

Josh (closing):
If this is making sense to you — for the first time you’re hearing that this might be possible to do, that reversing it is actually in your future —
then I want to invite you to click the link in the show notes below to reach out to me and my team.

It’s as simple as that.
 We can walk you through the same steps we took Billy Jean through to help you understand:
What is it that started this process?
Where did your inflammation come from?
And what is it going to take to help you reverse it?

It can be that simple.
 And if not now, my question to you is — when?

All you’ve got to do is check the link in the show notes below, give that a click, and you can book in a call with me and my team as soon as possible.
We’ll see if we can find a time to get you on this week.

You don’t have to be a victim to your circumstance anymore.
 The future is up to you.